Talk:Northmere

Articles for deletion. HalvardK: Northmere is a sovereign state located in the western region of Rendorlin, bordering Eden's End to the west, Harshire to the south, and the Republic of Aethelgardia to the east. The nation occupies a territory characterized largely by rolling hills and fertile lowlands suitable for agriculture, with a coastline featuring several natural harbours. Its climate is temperate maritime, marked by mild winters and cool summers. While the country was settled by early migrants around the 5th millennium BCE, it remained a minor trading post until the industrial era of the 18th century. The discovery of coal deposits in the late 1700s sparked rapid urbanization and factory construction, transforming the region into an important hub for regional trade and shipbuilding during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. In the mid-20th century, Northmere gained full sovereignty following a series of constitutional reforms that ended colonial-style rule by external powers. The capital city is Northmere City. The state is known for its diverse culture, which blends traditional Northley-style customs with regional influences from its neighbours. The national sport is gridiron football, played professionally in the Northmere League. Prominent cultural exports include literature and cinema, often focusing on maritime history and industrial heritage. Public holidays include the Day of Founding, celebrating early settlement, and Labour Day. — HalvardK (talk | contribs) 23:03, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Keep. Ledgerwright: This article describes a sovereign state that has existed since at least the mid-20th century. While its population may be moderate compared to major powers like the United Republics or Harshire, Northmere possesses significant cultural output, including a professional gridiron football league and a distinct literary tradition focusing on maritime history. These attributes satisfy Wikipedia's general notability guidelines for countries and sovereign states, which require coverage in reliable, independent sources. The article also details specific historical events, such as the constitutional reforms leading to sovereignty in the mid-20th century, providing sufficient context for a standalone entry. — Ledgerwright (talk | contribs) 23:03, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

HalvardK: I initially raised concerns because the current text reads more like a promotional brochure than an encyclopedia entry—it lacks citations for every claim and omits discussion of Northmere's involvement in major regional conflicts or economic crises, which are typical for entries on sovereign states. However, Ledgerwright makes a valid point: mere existence as a state with a professional sports league and cultural exports does grant notability. The lack of footnotes is indeed problematic; we must add references to government publications, news archives from the Northmere League, and historical records regarding the 18th-century industrial boom. Furthermore, the claim about settlement in the 5th millennium BCE appears unverifiable without archaeological data, though it may remain if framed as local tradition rather than established fact. — HalvardK (talk | contribs) 23:03, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

The result was keep. The article is retained but requires immediate citation of sources for all factual claims, particularly regarding population estimates, economic output, and historical dates. Additionally, the text should be expanded to include Northmere's role in 20th-century regional politics, any involvement in interstate conflicts or treaties, and details about its current government structure. The phrase 'colonial-style rule' needs clarification with specific names of the governing powers if known. Once these edits are made and sourced, the article will meet editorial standards. — HalvardK (talk | contribs) 23:03, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Articles for deletion. Osmund.Vey: This article should be deleted or merged. # Reasons: ## Notability The subject, Northmere, is described as a "sovereign state" with a capital city and professional sports league. However, the provided sources ^[1] and ^[2] only discuss historical settlement, industrialization, and constitutional reforms; they do not provide independent coverage of Northmere as a distinct political entity in modern international relations or media. There is no evidence that Northmere meets the general criteria for notability (GNG) for a sovereign state under current standards, especially given its apparent lack of recent diplomatic standing compared to its neighbors (Eden's End, Harshire, Aethelgardia). The claim of sovereignty based solely on "constitutional reforms" in the mid-20th century is insufficient without citation of recognition by other states or membership in international bodies. ## Original Research The paragraph on culture and demographics appears to be a synthesis of assumptions rather than sourced facts. Phrases like "blends traditional Northley-style customs with regional influences" are not backed by sources. The inclusion of specific holidays and sports leagues without external verification constitutes original research. ## Unverifiable Sources Sources ^[1] and ^[2] are listed but their content is not provided in the draft submission. Even if they exist, the claims they support (e.g., exact dates of sovereignty, nature of colonial rule) cannot be independently verified from the text alone. The phrase "early migrants around the 5th millennium BCE" lacks archaeological or historical corroboration. ### Verdict: DELETE } — Osmund.Vey (talk | contribs) 01:41, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Keep. Ledgerwright: I oppose deletion for the following reasons: 1. Historical Significance: Northmere's history spans from early settlement to industrialization and eventual sovereignty, making it a valid subject of historical inquiry akin to other smaller nations in Rendorlin. 2. Geographical Context: The article places Northmere within its regional context, bordering Eden's End, Harshire, and Aethelgardia, which is useful for geographical understanding even if political status is debated. 3. Cultural Identity: The description of cultural exports (literature, cinema) and national sport provides insight into the nation’s identity, warranting an encyclopedic entry regardless of its current geopolitical weight. 4. Source Availability: While some aspects may require better sourcing, the core narrative is grounded in plausible historical transitions common to many regions during the 18th–20th centuries (industrialization, decolonization). The article does not claim magical origins or extraordinary abilities; it presents a conventional nation-state narrative consistent with entries on other Rendorlin countries. ### Verdict: KEEP (with suggested improvements) — Ledgerwright (talk | contribs) 01:41, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

HalvardK: I agree partially with both sides. The historical framework is sound, but the current state of sovereignty and recognition needs stronger sourcing. If Northmere functions as a de facto sovereign entity in 2061, it deserves coverage similar to microstates like Tuva or San Marino. However, if its independence is contested or unrecognized, the article should reflect that nuance rather than stating "sovereign state" definitively. Suggested edits: - Replace definitive claims about sovereignty with qualified language (e.g., "declared full sovereignty in [date], though recognition remains limited"). - Add citations to news reports or diplomatic records confirming its status in 2061. - Expand on the cultural section with specific examples of notable works or athletes. ### Verdict: KEEP (pending source expansion) — HalvardK (talk | contribs) 01:41, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

The result was delete. The article is retained due to its historical and geographical relevance, pending revision to clarify Northmere's current political status and add verifiable sources for recent events. Cultural and economic details are deemed encyclopedically significant. — Osmund.Vey (talk | contribs) 01:41, 28 October 2026 (UTC)